SIGIA-L Mail Archives: RE: Re: SIGIA-L: ZUI hatred
RE: Re: SIGIA-L: ZUI hatred
Date: Sun Mar 24 2002 - 18:24:23 EST
Here are my take-aways from this discussion:
1. ZUI's likely won't work well for you (as a user) if you aren't
familiar with the dataset. E.g. if you're not the one who took the
photos, then organizing them by film roll doesn't help you. Same thing
if you're a designer looking for a photo with "good reds" in it.
2. If the "atoms" represented all look very similar, then a visual ZUI
will suffer greatly. E.g. think of a navigating a bunch of project
proposals all created with the same Word template -- the only
differences on the cover page might be the customer name, date, and
project name -- visually from a "zoomed out" perspective they would all
look nearly identical. Even IF the ZUI can visually represent every
file type, sometimes visually differentiating between files/atoms can
be very difficult for the user. For example, take 2 Photoshop files -
one that is flattened and one that has all the "layers" intact in the
file -- visually they look identical. The same for an HTML file with
3. You can't talk about the merits of any type of interface without
first considering who the user/types of users are as well as the task
they are trying to accomplish. You also have to consider the types of
content you're navigating.
User Experience Architect
From: cwodtke_at_eleganthack.com [mailto:cwodtke_at_eleganthack.com]
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 1:50 PM
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: ZUI hatred
What I'm enjoying best about this conversation is I'm discovering what
work for and what they do not.
I grew to hate ZUI's -- I think-- because they were begin misused, not
because they are intrinsically worthless.
once I stayed in an 11 dollar a night hotel on the Idaho border that was
really charming as well as cheap. I can't find it. Would a ZUI help me?
a search might get me there, but then a zoomable interface might allow
see what points of interest there are around it, or how it fit into a
So far it seems ZUI's are good for orienting and displaying certain
relationships. They seem to fail when there is a lot of information.
Dan's comment about flying above a maze made me wonder what a ZUI for
flamenco might look like.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Ben Henick" <persist1_at_io.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 24, 2002 10:58 AM
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: ZUI hatred
> On Sun, 24 Mar 2002, Christina Wodtke wrote:
> > and you were able to easily use this to find Waukee?
> Bah! Would she have brought it up if she wasn't?
> If you know where to start looking, and if the datum exists, of
> can find it (unless the datum was described improperly to begin with).
> That's half the point behind this "hatred" - if you don't know that
> datum exists, and/or don't know where to begin your search, the task
> just become a great deal more difficult.
> Suppose, for example, that you had to find an obscure village in
> that is reputed to have a hidden-secret, world-class bakery - and you
> vaguely remember its name. Knowing that it's in Provence alone isn't
> For systems that can't be described spatially as a matter of course,
> task is yet more difficult.
> I will butt out now.
> Ben Henick
> Web Author At-Large Managing Editor
> http://www.io.com/persist1/ http://www.digital-web.com/
> persist1_at_io.com bmh_at_digital-web.com
> "Are you pondering what I'm pondering, Pinky?"
> "I think so, Brain, but... (snort) no, no, it's too stupid."
> "We will disguise ourselves as a cow."
> "Oh!" (giggles) "That was it exactly!"
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