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sigia-l Tuesday, May 2 2000 Volume 01 : Number 016

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:36:31 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: ADMIN: getting organized

this is a great idea! i say we do it! :)

- -----Original Message-----
From: Montgomery, Gordon [mailto:gordonm_at_fusive.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:22 PM
To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: ADMIN: getting organized

strongly agree.

let's do that from now on.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Martens [mailto:bmartens_at_leapnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:59 PM
To: Rachel Cox; sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: SIGIA-L: ADMIN: getting organized

This is a new thread which was formerly "vote with your feet and ears"
(though I'm not sure how that second part works). And excuse the _admin_
subject header, but it did get your attention, didn't it?

Here's an idea for list management from another very active list that I
belong to (Chicago Webgrrls): use a system of subject headers so that people
who don't want to be bothered can easily filter out -- for later perusal or
immediate trashing -- whatever it is they regard as fluff. Our system is as
follows:

<snip>
(job) -- For all job listings/announcements
(event) -- For all event announcements
(info) -- For general information (cool websites, news items)
(discussion) -- For general discussions
(tech) -- For technical questions and/or discussions
(query) -- For direct questions that don't fall under the
tech heading
(intro) -- For introducing yourself to the list
</snip>

I'm not suggesting we use these exact headers, but before we start racking
our brains for ways to categorize our posts (using the empirical data of the
last three weeks or so) . . . what do y'all think of this in general?

This system can work beautifully if the buckets are sensibly named and if
everybody or almost everybody uses them. What we *don't* want is an entire
separate list, because a lot of the life can go out of the list once people
feel constrained from letting 'er rip. IMHO.

Consider the irony: information architects who can't figure out a way to
organize their e-mail list. What's wrong with this picture?!

Betsy Martens
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
Information Architect
Quantum Leap Communications
420 W. Huron St.
Chicago, IL 60610
::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::::
312.528.2419
bmartens_at_leapnet.com

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:40:51 -0500
From: Laura Lipscomb <llipscomb_at_xceed.com>
Subject: SIGIA-L: Myer Briggs

I must be an outlier since I'm an INFP.
Laura

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:35:44 -0400
From: "Mike Charton" <charton_at_research.att.com>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

INTJ?
MaryAnn can be our CEO with Matthew as her Number 2. They can provide the
organization.
Mike

Mike Charton
Shannon Lab Library, NJ0644 Building 103
Room B002
180 Park Avenue
Florham Park, New Jersey 07932
USA
http://library.research.att.com, a member library of the Information
Research Center, http://irc.att.com
Telephone: 973-360-8603
Fax: 973-360-8020
E-Mail: charton_at_research.att.com
Personal Website:
http://www.mikecharton.com
"Librarians aren't know it alls. We just know where to look."

> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org [mailto:owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org]On Behalf Of
> MaryAnn VanCura
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:20 PM
> To: Julia Rogers; 'Montgomery, Gordon'; sigia-l_at_asis.org
> Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits
>
>
> INTJ here! I have a strong E, and a strong P!
>
> I was raised with ISTJs. :( :) It cuts both
> ways....
>
> --- Julia Rogers <JRoger_at_ctp.com> wrote:
> > Nope - ENFP here! :)
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Montgomery, Gordon [mailto:gordonm_at_fusive.com]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:34 PM
> > To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
> > Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits
> >
> >
> > Wow!
> >
> http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-simpl.htm
> >
> > looks like we're all ENTP!
> >
> > death to all ISTJs :-)
> >
> > Gordon.
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Phill_at_Systems Design
> > [mailto:phill.christian_at_systems-design.net]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:42 PM
> > To: Mike Charton; Maribeth Sullivan;
> > sigia-l_at_asis.org
> > Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits
> >
> >
> > That's funny, Mike. I'm an ENTP, too.
> >
> > Phill Christian
> > Systems Design
> > 425-836-4724
> > http://www.systems-design.net
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org
> > [mailto:owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org]On Behalf Of
> > Mike Charton
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 8:59 AM
> > To: Maribeth Sullivan; sigia-l_at_asis.org
> > Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits
> >
> >
> > I have done Myers-Briggs. I am an ENTP.
> > Mike
> >
> >
> > Mike Charton
> > Shannon Lab Library, NJ0644 Building 103
> > Room B002
> > 180 Park Avenue
> > Florham Park, New Jersey 07932
> > USA
> > http://library.research.att.com, a member library of
> > the Information
> > Research Center, http://irc.att.com
> > Telephone: 973-360-8603
> > Fax: 973-360-8020
> > E-Mail: charton_at_research.att.com
> > Personal Website:
> > http://www.mikecharton.com
> > "Librarians aren't know it alls. We just know where
> > to look."
> >
> >
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org
> > [mailto:owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org]On Behalf Of
> > > Maribeth Sullivan
> > > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:45 AM
> > > To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
> > > Subject: SIGIA-L: common personality traits
> > >
> > >
> > > Mike Charton wrote:
> > > >We need the psychologists on here to do a survey
> > to see if there are
> > > certain common personality traits amongst our
> > diversity.
> > >
> > > I've wondered about that. How many out there have
> > done Myers-Briggs?
> > >
> > > -Maribeth
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
> __________________________________________________
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> Send instant messages & get email alerts with Yahoo! Messenger.
> http://im.yahoo.com/
>

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:43:25 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

wow. ENFP fits me to a 'tee'!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Campbell [mailto:bcampbell_at_xceed.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:56 AM
To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

Maribeth Sullivan wrote:

>I've wondered about that. How many out there have done Myers-Briggs?

ENTP.

Does anyone sense a trend emerging?

- --
Barry Campbell <bcampbell_at_xceed.com>
Senior Information Architect
Xceed, Inc.
233 Broadway, NY, NY 10279
voice: 212.553.2615
http://www.xceed.com

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:44:48 -0400
From: "Mike Charton" <charton_at_research.att.com>
Subject: SIGIA-L: Myers-Briggs.

If the list desires, I will coordinate the responses to the Myers-Briggs
poll. Any help will be greatly accepted.
Mike

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:36:36 -0700
From: "Micah Freedman" <sprugman_at_yahoo.com>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

INTP

__________________________________________________
Do You Yahoo!?
Talk to your friends online with Yahoo! Messenger.
http://im.yahoo.com

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:52:40 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: SIGIA-L: query- instant messaging

does anyone use Yahoo's IM during the day?
Staci

*************************
staci martin
interactive producer

cole & weber
seattle, wa
206.436.3677

stacim_at_coleweber.net

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 12:57:59 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: SIGIA-L: tech - question

does anyone know where i can find information on using SQL v Access for a
web-based, interactive database?
i need to know advantages/disadvantages of both.

Thx.
Staci

PS
what do you all think of this site, as far as IA goes?

http://www.planetoutdoors.com

*************************
staci martin
interactive producer

cole & weber
seattle, wa
206.436.3677

stacim_at_coleweber.net

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 13:57:05 -0500
From: David Robert Austen <dausten_at_hoosier.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: common personality traits-The Field Marshal.

I don't know who is "in charge" here these days, but I would like to
volunteer
to help on the site.

Let me know, if you are one of our fearless leaders!

:-)

David

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:10:08 -0500
From: "Turley, Jay" <jayt_at_Meridinet.com>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

Sorry, ESTP here...

<delurk>
past: sign painter, pizza delivery guy, waiter, kitchen manager, bass
player, tutor, multimedia developer, intranet developer
current: internet developer/designer, java developer, info architect,
project manager (learning, anyway)
</delurk>

- - Jay Turley
"This email brought to you by the numbers one and zero"

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Montgomery, Gordon [mailto:gordonm_at_fusive.com]
> looks like we're all ENTP!
>

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:16:36 -0700 (PDT)
From: Tyson Vaughan <tyson_at_wetalknetwork.com>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: Myers-Briggs.

I'd like to see that. How bout a nice infographic? :)

I'm INFP.

BTW, I would assume that a higher percentage of E's would actually speak
up about their results than I's....

- -Tyson

On Tue, 2 May 2000, Mike Charton wrote:

> Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:44:48 -0400
> From: Mike Charton <charton_at_research.att.com>
> To: ASIS-SigiaL <sigia-l_at_asis.org>
> Subject: SIGIA-L: Myers-Briggs.
>
> If the list desires, I will coordinate the responses to the Myers-Briggs
> poll. Any help will be greatly accepted.
> Mike
>
>
> Mike Charton
> Shannon Lab Library, NJ0644 Building 103
> Room B002
> 180 Park Avenue
> Florham Park, New Jersey 07932
> USA
> http://library.research.att.com, a member library of the Information
> Research Center, http://irc.att.com
> Telephone: 973-360-8603
> Fax: 973-360-8020
> E-Mail: charton_at_research.att.com
> Personal Website:
> http://www.mikecharton.com
> "Librarians aren't know it alls. We just know where to look."
>
>

___________________________________________________
Tyson Vaughan, Design Director / The WeTalk Network
tyson_at_wetalknetwork.com / www.wetalknetwork.com

When I was a child I caught a fleeting glimpse

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:29:17 -0400
From: Martha Hamblin <belladon_at_netpath.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

INTP

Martha Hamblin
Belladonna Press
Ph: 919.563.4740

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:34:50 -0400
From: "Robinson, Susan" <sjr2_at_cdc.gov>
Subject: SIGIA-L: REPLY TO SENDER PLEASE -- VRS REPLY ALL

FYI: on LISTSERVs, many side conversations get started that are limited to
participants who are interested in a particular topic, such as the
Myers-Briggs. It happens this way:

The original posting addressee puts out a call to the listserv for
replies.
Those interested to reply to original sender, rather than the whole
list.

However, another LISTSERV convention is that when someone has something
substantial to say, something general enough to interest the group, for
example, commentary on methodology, or a general philosophical remark "IA is
multidisciplinary and here is my theoretical model," or a citation to a
recently published study (as opposed to personal biographic information) --
they send it to the LISTSERV or use REPLY ALL.

An example of these conventions in practice is the job posting on a
LISTSERV. Those interested in the job usually reply, whereas those
disinterested don't. Rarely does the group engage in a discussion about the
job on-line.

Those who support or disagree with this listserv convention are free to
reply to me, and for those of you who are disinterested in this topic, my
apologies.

Thank you for your consideration.

Susan Robinson

- -----Original Message-----
From: Staci Martin [mailto:StaciM_at_coleweber.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:43 PM
To: 'sigia-l_at_asis.org'
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

wow. ENFP fits me to a 'tee'!

- -----Original Message-----
From: Barry Campbell [mailto:bcampbell_at_xceed.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 11:56 AM
To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: common personality traits

Maribeth Sullivan wrote:

>I've wondered about that. How many out there have done Myers-Briggs?

ENTP.

Does anyone sense a trend emerging?

- --
Barry Campbell <bcampbell_at_xceed.com>
Senior Information Architect
Xceed, Inc.
233 Broadway, NY, NY 10279
voice: 212.553.2615
http://www.xceed.com

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:44:08 -0700
From: "Phill_at_Systems Design" <phill.christian_at_systems-design.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: ADMIN: getting organized

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I also agree. Great idea...

Phill Christian
Systems Design
425-836-4724
http://www.systems-design.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org [mailto:owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org]On Behalf Of
Montgomery, Gordon
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:22 PM
To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: ADMIN: getting organized

strongly agree.

let's do that from now on.

- -----Original Message-----
From: Betsy Martens [mailto:bmartens_at_leapnet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:59 PM
To: Rachel Cox; sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: SIGIA-L: ADMIN: getting organized

Consider the irony: information architects who can't figure out a way to
organize their e-mail list. What's wrong with this picture?!

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 13:44:10 -0700
From: "Phill_at_Systems Design" <phill.christian_at_systems-design.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: query- instant messaging

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I don't. What do you find useful about it?

phill

Phill Christian
Systems Design
425-836-4724
http://www.systems-design.net

- -----Original Message-----
From: owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org [mailto:owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org]On Behalf Of
Staci Martin
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 12:53 PM
To: IA List (E-mail)
Subject: SIGIA-L: query- instant messaging

does anyone use Yahoo's IM during the day?
Staci

*************************
staci martin
interactive producer

cole & weber
seattle, wa
206.436.3677

stacim_at_coleweber.net

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:57:51 -0400
From: "Montgomery, Gordon" <gordonm_at_fusive.com>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: tech - question

Access -- for small quick n dirties!

SQL -- anything professional

- -----Original Message-----
From: Staci Martin [mailto:StaciM_at_coleweber.net]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:58 PM
To: IA List (E-mail)
Subject: SIGIA-L: tech - question

does anyone know where i can find information on using SQL v Access for a
web-based, interactive database?
i need to know advantages/disadvantages of both.

Thx.
Staci

PS
what do you all think of this site, as far as IA goes?

http://www.planetoutdoors.com

*************************
staci martin
interactive producer

cole & weber
seattle, wa
206.436.3677

stacim_at_coleweber.net

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:01:58 -0400
From: vallen_at_ixl.com
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

The ENFP is ideally suited for the practice of the Information Architect.
Here's why:

First, a bare-bones definition:

E - Preference for drawing energy from the outside world of people,
activities or things.

N - Preference for taking in information through a "sixth sense" and
noticing what might be. Jung calls this "unconscious perceiving".

F - Preference for organizing and structuring information to decide in a
personal, value-oriented way.

P - Preference for living a spontaneous and flexible life.

Next, let's look at some of the preferred vocabulary used by ENFP's:

>interaction
>multiplicity of relationships
>extensive
>ingenuity
>imaginative
>inspiration
>subjective
>social values
>personal
>harmony
>devotion
>gather more data
>flexible
>adapt as you go

Also, The ENFP is said to posses an "uncanny sense of the motivations of
others" (but we still user test).

And finally, the beliefs and behaviors stemming from the NF portion of the
ENFP means that we:

>Value relationships
>Seek harmony with others - can be very amiable
>Desire to inspire and persuade
>Need to live a life of significance
>Search for unique identity
>Especially abhors "evil" (i.e., bad information design), if it violates
cherished values (i.e., usability heuristics!)

Who can argue with that?

Cheers,
Vince 'ENFP' Allen

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:19:29 -0500
From: David Robert Austen <dausten_at_hoosier.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: tech - question

It should also be noted that many large scale projects start out on Access
and are then exported to industrial strength DBMS products.

Certainly, Access is quite adequate for many projects, and your customers
will never know that you've used the "lean" approach.

David Austen

"Montgomery, Gordon" wrote:

> Access -- for small quick n dirties!
>
> SQL -- anything professional
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Staci Martin [mailto:StaciM_at_coleweber.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:58 PM
> To: IA List (E-mail)
> Subject: SIGIA-L: tech - question
>
> does anyone know where i can find information on using SQL v Access for a
> web-based, interactive database?
> i need to know advantages/disadvantages of both.
>
> Thx.
> Staci
>
> PS
> what do you all think of this site, as far as IA goes?
>
> http://www.planetoutdoors.com
>
> *************************
> staci martin
> interactive producer
>
> cole & weber
> seattle, wa
> 206.436.3677
>
> stacim_at_coleweber.net

- --
David R. Austen

http://www.ZillionBucks.com - Business and Professional Web Hosting for the
Savvy
http://www.CustomerScience.com - Information Architecture for Web Sites

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 16:18:46 -0500
From: "Turley, Jay" <jayt_at_Meridinet.com>
Subject: [tech] RE: SIGIA-L: query- instant messaging

I do. My team uses it to communicate as we are at separate far-flung client
locations.

Bonus: only one of the big three (ICQ, AOL IM, YAHOO IM) instant messengers
to go through corporate firewalls like butter.

- -Jay Turley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Phill_at_Systems Design [mailto:phill.christian_at_systems-design.net]
>
> I don't. What do you find useful about it?
>
> phill
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org
> [mailto:owner-sigia-l_at_asis.org]On Behalf Of
> Staci Martin
>
> does anyone use Yahoo's IM during the day?
> Staci
>

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:23:42 -0400
From: Anthony Johnston <anthony.johnston_at_capitalone.com>
Subject: SIGIA-L: an interesting article

greetings,

I just got the latest copy of Harper's, and enjoyed reading the article
by Ellen Ullman. I would recommend it to others, and also would be
interested in hearing opinions.

cheers,

ant

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:31:43 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

here! here! :)

although, i can see a strong case for the ENTJ because the J (for judgement)
means that they prefer to make decisions about what to do, where to go, what
to say...these folks are organized! and they keep the rest of us organized,
without them, i know that i would be lost. the T (for thinking) is also
beneficial in the world of IA, because sometimes looking at a situation
logically, is the only way to look at it when you first start analyzing it.

Staci, ENFP

- -----Original Message-----
From: vallen_at_ixl.com [mailto:vallen_at_ixl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 2:02 PM
To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

The ENFP is ideally suited for the practice of the Information Architect.
Here's why:

First, a bare-bones definition:

E - Preference for drawing energy from the outside world of people,
activities or things.

N - Preference for taking in information through a "sixth sense" and
noticing what might be. Jung calls this "unconscious perceiving".

F - Preference for organizing and structuring information to decide in a
personal, value-oriented way.

P - Preference for living a spontaneous and flexible life.

Next, let's look at some of the preferred vocabulary used by ENFP's:

Also, The ENFP is said to posses an "uncanny sense of the motivations of
others" (but we still user test).

And finally, the beliefs and behaviors stemming from the NF portion of the
ENFP means that we:

Who can argue with that?

Cheers,
Vince 'ENFP' Allen

------------------------------

Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 14:30:10 -0700
From: "Jackie Zak" <JZak_at_getty.edu>
Subject: SIGIA-L: [query] WebCast for User Requirements

For those interested in methods for gathering user requirements,
please read on:

I wonder what you think of the idea of a WebCast (or workshop
at the next meeting) that is a mock "focus group" or "user
analysis" session. I'd really like to learn more from the pros
about the various strategies used to facilitate these sessions and
the variety of methods for documenting results.

Folks on this list have already discussed a few strategies, and
I know that there are many published works on the topic.
However, I would love to be a fly on the wall to see
these techniques as they are actually put into practice. It
would also be great to participate in discussions about the pros and
cons of the various techniques as the sessions (or various
scenarios for sessions) progressed.

Would a WebCast be too expensive, time consuming, inefficient,
etc., etc.? Has this already been done by those of you who
teach? Do videos of these sesssions exist? Would this be a
good outlet for those theater folks to use their chops? Is this idea
too goofy to consider?

Thanks for any thoughts on this you might want to share.
Best regards,
Jackie Zak

Information and Communications
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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:33:57 -0400
From: Marion Summerville <msummer_at_infodn.com>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

At 5:01 PM -0400 5/2/00, vallen_at_ixl.com wrote:
>Who can argue with that?

me.

I'm an INTJ... and have found that the ENFPs I've worked with don't
necessarily have the emotional invulnerability necessary to survive
some of the heavy political battles we face when working in Internet
time (and on pre-IPO budgets). Work life is really *not* always
about how you feel -- good business practices are inherently
rational... that's why they're "business" practices and not "life"
practices.

ENFPs are definitely fun.. but can be fragile and high-maintenance (I
work with a posse of them, so am intensely aware of the pros and
cons). I would *not* send them off into the IA world alone.. make
sure there are some NTs around to translate what they say to the
people who pay the bills.

But right now, I'm too busy working to analyze this in-depth :)

Marion

All views expressed herein are necessarily those of the management.
- -----------------------------------------------------------------------
Marion Summerville Info.Design
Information Architect http://www.infodn.com
MAILTO:msummer_at_infodn.com 202.328.8466

The future belongs to those who believe in the beauty of their dreams.
- -- Eleanor Roosevelt

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 17:37:52 -0400
From: Julia Rogers <JRoger_at_ctp.com>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

Hello fellow ENFP - I think I will save this and put it on my resume!

- -----Original Message-----
From: vallen_at_ixl.com [mailto:vallen_at_ixl.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 5:02 PM
To: sigia-l_at_asis.org
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

The ENFP is ideally suited for the practice of the Information Architect.
Here's why:

First, a bare-bones definition:

E - Preference for drawing energy from the outside world of people,
activities or things.

N - Preference for taking in information through a "sixth sense" and
noticing what might be. Jung calls this "unconscious perceiving".

F - Preference for organizing and structuring information to decide in a
personal, value-oriented way.

P - Preference for living a spontaneous and flexible life.

Next, let's look at some of the preferred vocabulary used by ENFP's:

Also, The ENFP is said to posses an "uncanny sense of the motivations of
others" (but we still user test).

And finally, the beliefs and behaviors stemming from the NF portion of the
ENFP means that we:

Who can argue with that?

Cheers,
Vince 'ENFP' Allen

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 14:47:32 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: tech - question

sorry, i meant a SQL server versus Access/ASP for a website. sequal server
is a db, and SQL is what you use to write queries, right? please correct me
if i am wrong.
i found some info on the net...

Access vs. SQL Server by Charles Carroll

"Microsoft Access is a database package that works well on one machine and
with some careful coding can function well under a light network and
concurrency load. It is rare that a website presents a "light" concurrency
load." what exactly do they mean by "light" concurrency load?

Staci

- -----Original Message-----
From: Judith O'Dell [mailto:odell1j_at_cmich.edu]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:59 PM
To: Staci Martin
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: tech - question

I have used both SQL and Access in courses that I have taken but they are
not
the same thing unless there is a new product with the SQL title. SQL stands
for Sequential Query Language and is a programing language, while Access is
a
database. I know Access allows you to set up the database using SQL, are
asking which is the better approach or are you trying to compare databases?
The main competitor to Access that I know of is Filemaker Pro. I have not
used this but the reviews I have read rate it above Access.

Staci Martin wrote:

> does anyone know where i can find information on using SQL v Access for a
> web-based, interactive database?
> i need to know advantages/disadvantages of both.
>
> Thx.
> Staci
>
> PS
> what do you all think of this site, as far as IA goes?
>
> http://www.planetoutdoors.com
>
> *************************
> staci martin
> interactive producer
>
> cole & weber
> seattle, wa
> 206.436.3677
>
> stacim_at_coleweber.net

- --
Judy O'Dell
Business/Economics/Law Librarian
CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY
Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859
Judith.O'Dell_at_cmich.edu

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 15:58:14 -0500
From: David Robert Austen <dausten_at_hoosier.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

ENTP

David Austen

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 17:56:45 -0400
From: Maribeth Sullivan <4sullivan_at_top.monad.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: Myers-Briggs.

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At 03:44 PM 5/2/00 -0400, you wrote:
>If the list desires, I will coordinate the responses to the Myers-Briggs
>poll. Any help will be greatly accepted.
>Mike

Actually, Mike, ever since I posted the question to the list, I have been
plugging the info into a spreadsheet. I plan to post the results to the
list, but the main reason I asked the question is that I'm helping to
gather information for The Book.

The thread about eclectic backgrounds seemed to resonate. While the
group's experience was all over the map, what people seemed to have in
common was a lot of VARIED experiences. This made me wonder about
personality types. Somehow I suspect the "checkered pasts" are not just a
case of restlessness. The responses seem to be bearing out this theory.

So far, of 17 responses, six are ENTPs and another could fit comfortably
into the category. Another three are ENFPs.

Didn't really think about it cluttering up the list - Sorry, All.

Anyone else who cares to respond can email me directly at
4sullivan_at_top.monad.net

The results won't prove anything, but the more responses I get, the better
picture we'll have of the temperament drawn to IA. And for those who are
unfamiliar with the Myers Briggs personality tests, Gordon Montgomery
kindly posted a URL for interpreting results
(http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-simpl.htm). When I tally
the responses I'll try to offer an amateur analysis -psychology is not part
of my checkered past.
- -Maribeth Sullivan

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<html>
At 03:44 PM 5/2/00 -0400, you wrote: 
<blockquote type=cite cite>If the list desires, I will coordinate the
responses to the Myers-Briggs 
poll. Any help will be greatly accepted. 
Mike</blockquote> 
 
Actually, Mike, ever since I posted the question to the list, I have been
plugging the info into a spreadsheet. I plan to post the results to the
list, but the main reason I asked the question is that I'm helping to
gather information for The Book. 
 
The thread about eclectic backgrounds seemed to resonate.  While the
group's experience was all over the map, what people seemed to have in
common was a lot of VARIED experiences. This made me wonder about
personality types. Somehow I suspect the "checkered pasts" are
not just a case of restlessness. The responses seem to be bearing out
this theory. 
 
So far, of 17 responses, six are ENTPs and another could fit comfortably
into the category. Another three are ENFPs. 
 
Didn't really think about it cluttering up the list - Sorry, All. 
 
Anyone else who cares to respond can email me directly at 
4sullivan_at_top.monad.net 
 
The results won't prove anything, but the more responses I get, the
better picture we'll have of the temperament drawn to IA. And for those
who are unfamiliar with the Myers Briggs personality tests,  Gordon
Montgomery kindly posted a URL for interpreting results
(<a href="http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-simpl.htm"
eudora="autourl">http://www.teamtechnology.co.uk/tt/t-articl/mb-simpl.htm<
/a>).
When I tally the responses I'll try to offer an amateur analysis
- -psychology is not part of my checkered past. 
- -Maribeth Sullivan 
</html>

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:14:40 -0500
From: David Robert Austen <dausten_at_hoosier.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L:The Ideal Personality Type for IAs.

So what are we ENTPs, chopped liver?

Somebody speak up for us, please.

David Austen

>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: vallen_at_ixl.com [mailto:vallen_at_ixl.com]
>
> The ENFP is ideally suited for the practice of the Information Architect.
> Here's why:

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 16:20:49 -0500
From: David Robert Austen <dausten_at_hoosier.net>
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: tech - question

Let me take a stab at this:.

" what exactly do they mean by "light" concurrency load?
Low number of simultaneous queries or updates.

and ,

SQLServer is a heavy duty MS database product.
SQL is the "structured query language" used by many different products.

David Austen

Staci Martin wrote:

> sorry, i meant a SQL server versus Access/ASP for a website. sequal server
> is a db, and SQL is what you use to write queries, right? please correct
me
> if i am wrong.
> i found some info on the net...
>
> Access vs. SQL Server by Charles Carroll
>
> "Microsoft Access is a database package that works well on one machine and
> with some careful coding can function well under a light network and
> concurrency load. It is rare that a website presents a "light" concurrency
> load." what exactly do they mean by "light" concurrency load?
>
> Staci
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Judith O'Dell [mailto:odell1j_at_cmich.edu]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:59 PM
> To: Staci Martin
> Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: tech - question
>
> I have used both SQL and Access in courses that I have taken but they are
> not
> the same thing unless there is a new product with the SQL title. SQL
stands
> for Sequential Query Language and is a programing language, while Access
is
> a
> database. I know Access allows you to set up the database using SQL, are
> asking which is the better approach or are you trying to compare
databases?
> The main competitor to Access that I know of is Filemaker Pro. I have not
> used this but the reviews I have read rate it above Access.
>
> Staci Martin wrote:
>
> > does anyone know where i can find information on using SQL v Access for
a
> > web-based, interactive database?
> > i need to know advantages/disadvantages of both.
> >
> > Thx.
> > Staci
> >
> > PS
> > what do you all think of this site, as far as IA goes?
> >
> > http://www.planetoutdoors.com
> >
> > *************************
> > staci martin
> > interactive producer
> >
> > cole & weber
> > seattle, wa
> > 206.436.3677
> >
> > stacim_at_coleweber.net
>
> --
> Judy O'Dell
> Business/Economics/Law Librarian
> CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY
> Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859
> Judith.O'Dell_at_cmich.edu

- --
David R. Austen

http://www.ZillionBucks.com - Business and Professional Web Hosting for the
Savvy
http://www.CustomerScience.com - Information Architecture for Web Sites

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Date: Tue, 02 May 2000 18:48:55 -0400
From: saryanja_at_mindspring.com
Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: Myers-Briggs.

I have to object to the Personality thing. The Myers-Briggs is a very
simple test, meant only to give vague notions about folks, not to
determine their future. These tools are best left in the hands of
trained psychologists, not business personnel who can, have and will
misuse them.

Sorry to rain on the parade.

- - Sarah

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Date: Tue, 2 May 2000 15:51:08 -0700
From: Staci Martin <StaciM_at_coleweber.net>
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: tech - question Access v SQL

my next question is... what about porting an exisiting access db to sql
server...anyone used any really great utilities?

staci

- -----Original Message-----
From: Turley, Jay [mailto:jayt_at_Meridinet.com]
Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 3:39 PM
To: 'David Robert Austen'; Staci Martin
Subject: RE: SIGIA-L: tech - question

Access, though rated at 20 simultaneous connections by MS, fails in
real-world testing with about 6 simultaneous connections. If you plan to do
any serious web work in an all-MS environment use SQLServer.

- -Jay Turley

> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Robert Austen [mailto:dausten_at_hoosier.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 4:21 PM
> To: Staci Martin; IA List (E-mail)
> Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: tech - question
>
>
> Let me take a stab at this:.
>
> " what exactly do they mean by "light" concurrency load?
> Low number of simultaneous queries or updates.
>
> and ,
>
> SQLServer is a heavy duty MS database product.
> SQL is the "structured query language" used by many different
> products.
>
>
> David Austen
>
> Staci Martin wrote:
>
> > sorry, i meant a SQL server versus Access/ASP for a
> website. sequal server
> > is a db, and SQL is what you use to write queries, right?
> please correct me
> > if i am wrong.
> > i found some info on the net...
> >
> > Access vs. SQL Server by Charles Carroll
> >
> > "Microsoft Access is a database package that works well on
> one machine and
> > with some careful coding can function well under a light network and
> > concurrency load. It is rare that a website presents a
> "light" concurrency
> > load." what exactly do they mean by "light" concurrency load?
> >
> > Staci
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Judith O'Dell [mailto:odell1j_at_cmich.edu]
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 02, 2000 1:59 PM
> > To: Staci Martin
> > Subject: Re: SIGIA-L: tech - question
> >
> > I have used both SQL and Access in courses that I have
> taken but they are
> > not
> > the same thing unless there is a new product with the SQL
> title. SQL stands
> > for Sequential Query Language and is a programing language,
> while Access is
> > a
> > database. I know Access allows you to set up the database
> using SQL, are
> > asking which is the better approach or are you trying to
> compare databases?
> > The main competitor to Access that I know of is Filemaker
> Pro. I have not
> > used this but the reviews I have read rate it above Access.
> >
> > Staci Martin wrote:
> >
> > > does anyone know where i can find information on using
> SQL v Access for a
> > > web-based, interactive database?
> > > i need to know advantages/disadvantages of both.
> > >
> > > Thx.
> > > Staci
> > >
> > > PS
> > > what do you all think of this site, as far as IA goes?
> > >
> > > http://www.planetoutdoors.com
> > >
> > > *************************
> > > staci martin
> > > interactive producer
> > >
> > > cole & weber
> > > seattle, wa
> > > 206.436.3677
> > >
> > > stacim_at_coleweber.net
> >
> > --
> > Judy O'Dell
> > Business/Economics/Law Librarian
> > CENTRAL MICHIGAN UNIVERSITY
> > Mt. Pleasant, MI 48859
> > Judith.O'Dell_at_cmich.edu
>
> --
> David R. Austen
>
>
> http://www.ZillionBucks.com - Business and Professional Web
> Hosting for the
> Savvy
> http://www.CustomerScience.com - Information Architecture for
> Web Sites
>
>

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